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Ty Anderson
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Location: @_TyAnderson, MA
Joined: 02.21.2008

Jul 14 @ 4:25 PM ET
Ty Anderson: Bart signs; Who's on the outs?
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 14 @ 4:32 PM ET
Well if Okposo is the asking price for Boychuk I think even Garth Snow hangs that phone call up abruptly.
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 14 @ 4:42 PM ET
Well if Okposo is the asking price for Boychuk I think even Garth Snow hangs that phone call up abruptly.
- eichiefs9

this is garth snow we're talking about. i bet he throws in a sweetener.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 14 @ 4:51 PM ET
this is garth snow we're talking about. i bet he throws in a sweetener.
- Fountain-San

Muskwa
Location: Somewhere down the lazy river
Joined: 03.26.2013

Jul 14 @ 4:52 PM ET
E. Kane for Boychuk and Marchand. Gives the B's scoring and cap relief.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 14 @ 4:54 PM ET
this is garth snow we're talking about. i bet he throws in a sweetener.
- Fountain-San

Bad image-based jokes aside, there is not a chance in heck (plz don't ban me refs) I would ever sacrifice Okposo for Boychuk. And I want Boychuk pretty bad.

I'm not saying I have the answer to what would make the trade work, but it won't be Okposo.

I'm not a particularly big fan of Snow, but for all the crap that Snow got for the Vanek trade (some of it very deserved) it wasn't as bad as many make it out to be. Snow had no intention of re-signing Moulson after last season, as he was likely going to demand more than he was worth. So for a couple picks he rolled the dice on re-signing someone who was perceived to be one of the best wingers in the league to play with someone who is one of the best centers in the league. Worse deals have been done.
Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jul 14 @ 5:20 PM ET
Wait, Ty are you saying that you think Boychuk is worth more than Okposo AND Grabner or Clutterbuck? I may be reading that incorrectly but that's looney tunes.

Would assume you'd be looking at (a minimum) of Boychuk/Subban or Spooner/maybe even more for Okposo alone.

I'd love to get our hands on Okposo, great replacement for Horton/Iggy. But I'm not sure the Isles are willing to part with him.
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 14 @ 5:21 PM ET
I think the Isles & Bruins are a good match for a trade but they are not trading Okposo.
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jul 14 @ 5:23 PM ET
Wait, Ty are you saying that you think Boychuk is worth more than Okposo AND Grabner or Clutterbuck? I may be reading that incorrectly but that's looney tunes.

Would assume you'd be looking at (a minimum) of Boychuk/Subban or Spooner/maybe even more for Okposo alone.

I'd love to get our hands on Okposo, great replacement for Horton/Iggy. But I'm not sure the Isles are willing to part with him.

- Double_A


I read it as Clutterbuck or Grabner being the key piece going back not with Okposo included. No way the isles trade Okposo for Boychuk. I would do Grabner & D prospect not named Pulock or Reinhart.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 14 @ 5:28 PM ET
Setoguchi would be a good low risk high reward signing. Guy can still be effective. He was noticable during some of the Jets Avs games I watched last season

Puttng up 11gs on Jets 3rd line. I think he can produce more offense on a deeper team with an actual Center with you guys.
Would your Top 9 be something like this?

Lucic - Krejci - Eriksson
Marchand - Bergeron - Smith
Khokhlachev/Spooner? - Soderberg - Setoguchi
Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jul 14 @ 5:49 PM ET
I read it as Clutterbuck or Grabner being the key piece going back not with Okposo included. No way the isles trade Okposo for Boychuk. I would do Grabner & D prospect not named Pulock or Reinhart.
- Vukota


That makes more sense.

I think the B's might be more interested in Clutterbuck, Grabner is yet another LH shot and makes a bit more coin. B's could use every penny they can get at the moment.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 14 @ 5:53 PM ET
Hmm, I don't really have anything nice to say about this blog other than the writer is seriously over valuing Boychuk especially given Boston cap situation. A pending UFA on a cap crunched team and you want a top line power forward under contract at less than 3 mil per? I want a pony too, but it ain't happening.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 14 @ 5:56 PM ET
Hmm, I don't really have anything nice to say about this blog other than the writer is seriously over valuing Boychuk especially given Boston cap situation. A pending UFA on a cap crunched team and you want a top line power forward under contract at less than 3 mil per? I want a pony too, but it ain't happening.
- Isles_since_6

In fairness, he does admit that "in a perfect world" and "probably not in this reality" they'd get Okposo, I don't think he's actually suggesting that Boychuk is worth Kyle.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 14 @ 6:06 PM ET
In fairness, he does admit that "in a perfect world" and "probably not in this reality" they'd get Okposo, I don't think he's actually suggesting that Boychuk is worth Kyle.
- eichiefs9


I still want a pony you heartless bastard.

Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Jul 14 @ 6:09 PM ET
Well if Okposo is the asking price for Boychuk I think even Garth Snow hangs that phone call up abruptly.
- eichiefs9

The isles aren't trading Okposo for boychuk. They're not moving him now just as he broke out. Especially when the isles don't need to make a trade. I think Boston is under cap pressure to trade. The isles aren't going to give up a first line forward for a second pair d-man under these circumstances.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 14 @ 6:17 PM ET
Whoever Boychuck brings back in a trade would have to be for less money no ?
Clutterbuck (2.75) or Grabner (3) wouldn't be enough relief I would think. I would think prospects or picks would be the desired return. Say Markstrom and a 2nd
Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jul 14 @ 6:31 PM ET
Whoever Boychuck brings back in a trade would have to be for less money no ?
Clutterbuck (2.75) or Grabner (3) wouldn't be enough relief I would think. I would think prospects or picks would be the desired return. Say Markstrom and a 2nd

- belcherbd


Theory being you get value for JB and then use the return to fill a hole made by moving say Chris Kelly who has much less value, for nothing.

Of course they could just wind up trading some combo of Kelly, McQuaid, Bartkowski, Campbell, etc for futures, let the kids play, and call it a day.
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Jul 14 @ 7:00 PM ET
Theory being you get value for JB and then use the return to fill a hole made by moving say Chris Kelly who has much less value, for nothing.

Of course they could just wind up trading some combo of Kelly, McQuaid, Bartkowski, Campbell, etc for futures, let the kids play, and call it a day.

- Double_A


I agree. Let the kids play.
Think about it........who was the last DEVELOPED player we had make the team?
I mean Lucic, Krejic, Marchand, etc....

We had some very good players now in the top six that were started on the bottom lines and earned top line spots.
Maybe koko, spooner, Florek, etc are the next Lucic or Marchands.

Need to let them play to see what they ate made of. But we do need to trade boychuck and one of the young guys, cough cough......Bart.
rynoisgod
Boston Bruins
Location: In Philly's head. . .there's a, ON
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 14 @ 7:19 PM ET
MY GAWD I hate the salary cap. How are teams supposed to keep their core together long-term in this environment?
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 14 @ 8:03 PM ET
MY GAWD I hate the salary cap. How are teams supposed to keep their core together long-term in this environment?
- rynoisgod


To be fair, salary cap is the reason why you were able to sign Chara.

Sens had to pick Chara or Wredden as they could only afford one under the cap, well they made a bad decision
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 14 @ 8:21 PM ET
To be fair, salary cap is the reason why you were able to sign Chara.

Sens had to pick Chara or Wredden as they could only afford one under the cap, well they made a bad decision

- DDM-Coga
was that a cap issue for the sens? For some reason I thought it was a budget decision, I just can't remember.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 14 @ 8:26 PM ET
was that a cap issue for the sens? For some reason I thought it was a budget decision, I just can't remember.
- Isles_since_6


They had Spezza, Heatly, Hasek and Wredden coming into new deals. Maybe it was more budget, still had somethign to do with the Cap, bc they couldnt afford to pay all of them top dollar.

It was always said that bc of the Cap the Sens had to let 1 of them Dman walk. Lesson learned here, go with the Fitness freak over the Coke Head 100% of the time
Kunit
Joined: 05.29.2014

Jul 14 @ 8:26 PM ET
I'm surprised no gm tries an offer sheet for either Riley smith or krug... Considering Boston's limited cap space it shouldn't take very much to pry either of the two players outta Boston
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 14 @ 8:27 PM ET
I'm surprised no gm tries an offer sheet for either Riley smith or krug... Considering Boston's limited cap space it shouldn't take very much to pry either of the two players outta Boston
- Kunit


2015 first round picks..you dont give them up
rynoisgod
Boston Bruins
Location: In Philly's head. . .there's a, ON
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 14 @ 8:42 PM ET
To be fair, salary cap is the reason why you were able to sign Chara.

Sens had to pick Chara or Wredden as they could only afford one under the cap, well they made a bad decision

- DDM-Coga


I really don't think the salary cap was the number one issue in that situation. With no salary cap in place, there would have been a dozen teams lining up to sign the Beast. Chara signed in Boston because he was convinced he would win there.
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